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Daniel Ricciardo was disappointed by the one-lap pace of his R.S.19 after Friday’s running in Barcelona, saying that Renault needs to backtrack changes made after FP1.

Ricciardo and team mate Nico Hulkenberg ended their day well down the order and behind most of their midfield rivals, with the Aussie pointing to his Renault’s performance on short runs as a cause for concern.

“I think the one lap performance today wasn’t good enough,” said Ricciardo.

“The long runs were more competitive, and I think [our rivals] looked relatively quite a lot stronger in the short runs.”

    Bottas edges Hamilton to keep Mercedes ahead in FP2

The Aussie was actually happy with his performance at the outset in FP1, but noted that set-up changes undertaken later in the day did not have the desired effect.

“The first run this morning actually, I felt pretty good with the car, and I felt like the updates worked quite well,” he added.

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“Then we hit a little bit of stalemate I guess and we didn’t really progress that much more through the day.

“I think we’ve got to go back and see what we change from the first run, and take a few steps back and figure it out.

“I certainly felt some positives today, even though the end result doesn’t look like that.

“The car is certainly better in areas. We’ve just got to make sure we put it together on one lap in particular tomorrow. That’s where we struggled today with the qualifying type of sim.”

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IndyCar racer Patricio O’Ward who was recently signed up to Red Bull’s junior team is apparently in the running for a reserve role this year with Scuderia Toro Rosso.

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The highly rated 20-year-old Mexican, who won the Indy Lights title in 2018, is competing this season in a 13-race IndyCar program with Carlin that will include the Indy 500, but O’Ward would certainly welcome the opportunity to test in Formula 1.

On Friday in Barcelona, Toro Rosso team boss Franz Tost insisted the Faenza-base squad had not yet made any plans to offer O’Ward a test outing, but if such an opportunity should come about O’Ward would seize it with both hands.

    Nine degrees: McLaren’s clever scheme to give Alonso an edge at Indy

“It’s a huge opportunity for my career,” O’Ward told RACER.

“There’s honestly nothing concrete yet as to what my future may look like, but obviously we’re talking about two of the best series in the world – Formula 1 and I’m in IndyCar right now.

“I’m really privileged to be in the position that I’m in, and I’m just looking forward to what the pieces fall into in the future.

“Like I said, right now there’s nothing concrete so I can’t say ‘I’m leaving’ and I can’t say ‘I’m staying’ because I’d be lying both ways,” added the young Mexican.

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“But I just want to continue doing a really good job in IndyCar; I want to get the results I feel like I deserve.

“We’ve been putting in a lot of hard work — the Carlin boys have been really, really working hard and trying to finesse everything that we’ve been missing a little bit.”

O’Ward will sit tight until he gets clarity on his involvement with Red Bull.

“I’m obviously open to helping them in any way I can,” he said.

“We’ll just have to see how it pans out. As of right now I have all the IndyCar stuff and I’m just waiting to see if I’m going to have some additions to my racing calendar.”

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Honda will introduce an updated internal combustion engine in Baku this weekend, with Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso both receiving the ‘spec 2’ ICE.

Honda’s efforts since last year have delivered improved performance and reliability to its power unit, enabling Red Bull Racing’s new engine supplier to inch closer to its rivals.

The Japanese company will take another step forward on the performance front in Azerbaijan, a well-timed development at a venue whose long 2.1km straight underlines sheer engine power.

    Verstappen counting on Honda to improve race starts

“The fourth round of the championship takes place on the fastest street circuit on the calendar,” commented Honda technical director Toyoharu Tanabe.

“The key features of the Baku track are the main straight, which is over 2 kilometres in length and the many right angle corners, typical of a city circuit.

“From a PU point of view, the long straight means energy management is an important factor and we will use the lessons we learned here last year when it comes to optimising our settings.”

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No Red Bull driver will be left behind in Baku, with Max Verstappen, Pierre Gasly, Alex Albon and Daniil Kvyat all set to be powered by Honda’s updated ICE.

“This weekend, we will introduce the Spec 2 version of our internal combustion engine (ICE) across all four cars right from the start of the weekend,” added Tanabe-san.

“One of the reasons for bringing it to this race is that we found that Kvyat’s PU problem in China was down to a quality control issue.

“The main benefits of Spec 2 are improved durability and life and better reliability. It also offers a slight improvement in performance.”

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Last summer, Daniel Ricciardo was so sure that Valtteri Bottas would leave Mercedes at the end of the season that he bet Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko €1,000 on the Finn’s departure.

Ricciardo revealed that when last year’s silly season was in full swing, he laid a wager on Bottas future with the Silver Arrows squad, while Marko was adamant the Mercedes driver would stay put.

Exactly why the Aussie was confident at the time in Bottas’ exit from Mercedes is anybody’s guess, but perhaps his assurance was rooted in his belief that the German manufacturer would offer him a seat alongside Lewis Hamilton.

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That event obviously never came to pass and Ricciardo admitted earlier this year that he had been disappointed by the lack of interest of Mercedes and Ferrari in his services during the summer of 2018.

Still, the Honey Badger’s ill-advised bet set him back €1,000 and taught him not to gamble with Marko.

“He did win €1000,” Ricciardo told Motorsport.com. “He always wants to bet more – but when he wants to bet more, you know he already knows the answer!

“I’m not a gambling man, I don’t really bet or go to casinos. A thousand is not by choice, it’s a bit of peer pressure from Helmut.”

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Thwarted by Red Bull’s motorsport boss, Ricciardo eventually won back his hard-earned cash.

“We did another bet actually, I think it was in Melbourne, and I won it back,” he said.

“So we’re even. It was qualifying, he thought they would be top three in qualifying, and I thought they wouldn’t, and they weren’t, so I got my money back.

“I don’t want to bet with him anymore. But it’s OK, if our relationship is like that, it’s quite fun!”

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The winds of change will blow through Renault next season, with the French outfit confirming that it will replace Nico Hulkenberg with Esteban Ocon for 2020.

The 22-year-old Mercedes reserve driver’s move to Renault became highly probable once the German outfit opted to retain Valtteri Bottas for 2020.

Ocon will join Daniel Ricciardo at Renault after a year on the sidelines, having been forced out of his seat at Force India following the team’s takeover by Lawrence Stroll over the summer of 2018.

The Canadian billionaire logically drafted in his son Lance to race alongside Sergio Perez at the renamed Racing Point team, while Ocon – a Mercedes protégé – was assigned to a reserve and simulator role with the Silver Arrows squad for 2019.

    Mercedes confirms Valtteri Bottas for 2020!

“First and foremost, I am very proud to become a Renault driver,” said Ocon who signed a multi-year deal with Renault, a team for which he tested in 2014 and 2016.

“I have grown up at Enstone, starting with Lotus in 2010 and then with Renault. I am very attached to this team and everyone who works there; they are the ones who opened the doors of top level motorsport for me.

“Secondly, I am pleased that a team with big ambitions has entrusted me with the opportunity to once again demonstrate my skills at the highest level of F1. It is a responsibility I take very seriously.

“The confidence they have in me to help the progression of the team is a very positive pressure and I look forward to giving the best of myself.”

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Ocon’s recruitment forces Nico Hulkenberg to seek refuge elsewhere, with Haas seen as a strong option for the German.

But an alternative for the Hulk could be Red Bull, if Alex Albon’s stint with the Milton Keynes-based squad disappoints.

However, waiting until the end of the season for a resolution on that front could prove a risky option for Hulkenberg as he could potentially miss out on the Haas option.

Renault F1 Team boss Cyril Abiteboul was delighted to welcome Ocon back into the French manufacturer’s family.

“We are very happy to work with Esteban for the next two seasons,” said Abiteboul

“Over his F1 career Esteban has experienced the highs and lows of the sport, and fully understood the need to seize every possible chance.

“In addition to lending his natural talent, Esteban’s aim will be to focus his natural energy and drive, both of which have been intensified by a year away from racing. It is then up to us to infuse them into the next phase of the team’s progress.

“He has shown his ability to score points, has great professionalism on and off the track, plus his recent experience as reserve driver to the current world champions will be a valuable asset to the development of our entire team.”

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Abiteboul also has word of acknowledgment for Hulkenberg.

“I wish to thank Nico for his phenomenal involvement and massive contribution to our progress over the past three seasons.

“When Nico decided to join us, the team was ninth. He brought us to fourth place last year, and was classified seventh in the drivers’ championship.

“The imminent end of his contract made this decision a difficult one as Nico has been a pillar of this progress. The first part of this season has been more challenging, but I know we can count on him and deliver together throughout the second half of the year.”

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Italian GP: Friday’s action in pictures

November 15, 2019 | News | No Comments

A challenging first day of running awaited teams and drivers at Monza, thanks to the mixed conditions that prevailed on Friday.

Here is our first batch of action shots from the 2019 Italian GP.

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Fernando Alonso has rejected the idea of contesting a full season of IndyCar racing in 2020, insisting any undertaking of the Indy 500 would remain a one-off.

Alonso’s first visit to Indianapolis back in 2017 saw the Spaniard race competitively at the front of the field at the wheel of a McLaren-entered Andretti Autosport-run car.

But Alonso’s involvement in McLaren’s independent effort at the Brickyard last month resulted in a resounding debacle with the two-time F1 world champion failing to make the 33-car grid.

    McLaren shrugs off Indy blow and targets Le Mans 2021

While Alonso is hopeful of a return to Indy next year, he has ruled a full season of racing in the US.

“If I do Indy, a one-off will be the approach again,” he said. “To do the full season at the moment is too much of a commitment in terms of races.

“If you go there you should be in contention, you are not a tourist.”

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McLaren boss Zak Brown, who made no excuses for the team’s botched attempt at making the gird this year, alluded to the possibility of running in a few preparation races in 2020.

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However, even if Alonso and McLaren decide to return to the Brickyard together in 2020, the Spaniard sees no point in a few of IndyCar’s early-season events.

“To do four or five races as preparation doesn’t make sense because Indy is the first oval of the championship,” he added.

“There are no other oval races you can do before to prepare — a one-off is enough, I think.”

In any case, Alonso is keeping his IndyCar options open for next years and suggested that there were no guarantees that he would return to Indy with McLaren.

“I will have to see what the possibilities there are,” he said.

“If I go back to Indy I will explore whatever possibilities there are and then choose the most competitive one.”

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WASHINGTON — 

President Trump asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to shield him from a New York grand jury’s demand to see his tax returns and other financial records, setting the stage for a constitutional clash over whether the president has “absolute immunity” from being investigated or prosecuted.

It is the first of two appeals from Trump that seek to protect his tax returns from investigators. The House Oversight Committee has been seeking the same records, and on Wednesday, the full U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington refused to block the subpoena. Trump’s lawyers said they would appeal that case to the Supreme Court as well.

The justices are not required to hear Trump’s appeal or to decide the cases. But the pair of appeals when put together raise significant questions about the constitutional separation of powers and whether the president has a privacy right to shield his personal records from congressional investigators or state prosecutors.

If the justices vote to hear Trump’s plea, it could result in a major election-year ruling on whether a president is above the law while in office.

“We have filed a petition with the U.S. Supreme Court seeking to overturn the 2nd Circuit decision regarding a subpoena issued by the New York County district attorney,” said Jay Sekulow, counsel to the president. “The 2nd Circuit decision is wrong and should be reversed.”

The Supreme Court has never before said the president was immune or shielded from all investigations while in office. However, the Constitution says the president may be removed from office only through impeachment by the House and a conviction in the Senate.

The New York prosecutors who sought the tax returns are expected to file a response within 10 days. Meanwhile, Trump’s lawyers are expected to move quickly to appeal the ruling involving House investigators. The justices may take some time to decide on what to do.

The New York investigation does not concern Trump’s actions as president. Rather, Dist. Atty. Cyrus Vance Jr. is said to be investigating hush-money payments to two women who allege they had affairs with Trump. As part of its investigation, the grand jury sought eight years of the Trump Organization’s financial records from Mazars USA, its accounting firm, including Trump’s personal tax returns.

Even if the grand jury’s subpoena is upheld and Mazars complies with the order, it does not mean Trump’s tax returns will be made public. The grand jury operates under a rule of confidentiality.

Nonetheless, Trump’s lawyers went to federal court seeking to block the order while the president is in office. William Consovoy, a private attorney for Trump, relied on what he called a “temporary absolute presidential immunity.” In response to a question from one lower court judge, the attorney argued last month that Trump should be shielded from answering questions even if the president shot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York. During the campaign, Trump once famously said he was so popular among his base that he could shot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose support.

In the filing Thursday, Consovoy said the court should decide whether the New York subpoena violates the Constitution. “There has been broad bipartisan agreement, for decades if not centuries, that a sitting president cannot be subjected to criminal proceedings.”

He said the subpoena essentially targeted Trump for criminal charges, even though it was sent as a request for documents to his accountants.

“This subpoena subjects the president to a criminal process under any reasonable understanding of the concept,” Consovoy said. “It demands the president’s records, names him as a target, and was issued as part of a grand jury proceeding that seeks to determine whether the president committed a state-law crime. That the grand jury subpoena was issued to a third-party custodian does not alter the calculus. If it did, every local prosecutor in the country could easily circumvent presidential immunity.”

A federal district judge and a three-judge panel of the U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals flatly rejected the claim of immunity. The judges pointed out that beginning with Thomas Jefferson in 1807, presidents have been required to respond to court orders seeking documents. In the most famous case, President Nixon was required by the Supreme Court in a unanimous 1974 decision to turn over to prosecutors his White House tape recordings.

President Clinton was required to answer questions under oath in response to a civil suit over a sexual harassment claim. He too had suffered unanimous defeat at the Supreme Court in 1997 when he sought to claim temporary immunity while in office.

Citing the example of Nixon’s Oval Office conversations, the 2nd Circuit Court said Trump and his lawyers failed to “explain why, if executive privilege did not preclude enforcement of the subpoena issued in Nixon, the Mazars subpoena must be enjoined despite seeking no privileged information and bearing no relation to the president’s performance of his official functions.”

Justice Department lawyers have long maintained that the president is not subject to criminal prosecution while in office. The Supreme Court has not ruled directly on that issue.

Chief Judge Robert Katzmann of the 2nd Circuit said the appeal in Trump vs. Vance raised a narrow issue. The grand jury’s subpoena does not compel the president “to attend court at a particular time or place, or … compel the president himself to do anything.” The order was directed at his accountants.

“We conclude only that presidential immunity does not bar enforcement of a state grand jury subpoena directing a third party to produce nonprivileged material, even when the subject matter under investigation pertains to the president,” Katzmann wrote on Nov. 4.

The House Oversight Committee has broad investigating authority. In February, it heard testimony from Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal attorney, who said he believed the president “inflated his total assets” in some financial statements and “deflated his assets” at other times. The committee’s late chairman, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, at first asked Mazars to furnish Trump’s financial records, including any regarding Deutsche Bank’s decision to reduce the interest rate on a $125-million Trump loan after he became a candidate for president.

When the accounting firm refused, Cummings issued a formal subpoena to Mazars in April seeking eight years of Trump’s financial records and tax returns. He said the committee was looking into whether Trump had “engaged in illegal conduct” before or during this time in office, had “undisclosed conflicts of interest” and had complied with the “Emoluments Clause of the Constitution,” which forbids officeholders from taking undisclosed gifts from foreigners.

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Trump sued to block the subpoena, but lost before a federal judge and the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals last month. Appeals court Judges David S. Tatel and Patricia A. Millett rejected Trump’s claim that the House subpoena should be blocked because it was allegedly aimed at law enforcement, not new legislation. They said Congress has always had broad power to investigate because these probes often reveal the need for new legislation. House Democrats were exploring for the need for new ethics and disclosure laws, they said. Tatel was appointed by Clinton and Millett by President Obama.

Judge Neomi Rao, a new Trump appointee, dissented. She said the majority “breaks new ground” by upholding a subpoena based on Congress’ “legislative power” even though it is “investigating allegations of illegal conduct against the president.” She suggested the demand for documents would have stood on stronger ground if it arose from an impeachment investigation.

“Allowing the committee to issue this subpoena for legislative purposes would turn Congress into a roving inquisition over a co-equal branch of government,” she wrote.

Trump’s lawyer asked the 11-member appeals court to reconsider the decision, but that request was turned down. Rao dissented, along with Judge Greg Katsas, a second new Trump appointee, and Judge Karen Henderson, an appointee of George H.W. Bush.


KYIV, Ukraine — 

From her second-story walk-up office in Kyiv’s old Perchersk neighborhood, Daria Kaleniuk has been fighting the fire-breathing dragons of Ukrainian corruption — oligarchs and politicians and judges on the take.

Little did she know she would also be going up against the most powerful man on Earth, Donald Trump.

Kaleniuk is one of a new generation of Ukrainians who grew up in a freshly independent former Soviet republic that struggled to break free of Russia and to build institutions of basic governance. These young reformers speak English, aspire to Western values, reject their country’s Soviet past, have turned away from Moscow — and now fear that the U.S. has turned away from them.

Their work to battle graft and demand change belies the Ukraine that President Trump portrays.

According to testimony before the House impeachment inquiry by Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special representative to Ukraine, Trump once said of Ukrainians, “They are all corrupt, they are all terrible people.” Trump has also suggested, despite voluminous evidence to the contrary, that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

There’s no question that Ukraine has a serious corruption problem. Transparency International, which ranks countries according to their level of perceived corruption, lists Ukraine as 130th out of 180 nations, with No. 1 being the cleanest. That makes it among the most corrupt countries in Europe, barely ahead of Russia.

Yet activists, academics and politicians here insist the real Ukraine is making significant progress in fighting corruption. And these Ukrainians are angry that Trump has dragged them into U.S. politics by asking their new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

“We are desperately trying to change the country … from a very corrupt kleptocracy to a democracy,” Kaleniuk said on a recent chilly, gray morning in her office. “This is Ukraine’s moment, the moment to help. And instead, we got a knife in the back.”

As part of the movement undertaken by a robust post-communist civil society, and often working with U.S. development grants, Kaleniuk’s Anti-Corruption Action Center and other grass-roots organizations have helped create a new anti-corruption court in Kyiv, replace several dishonest prosecutors and expose illicit campaign contributions, money-laundering schemes and political backroom deals.

They were instrumental in the Maidan revolution of 2014, a popular revolt that led to the ouster of an unpopular, pro-Russia president and ushered in Western-leaning governments, including that of Zelensky, a TV comedian who won a landslide victory this year.

Supporters call them nothing short of fearless.

“The fight isn’t over yet,” said Sviatoslav Yurash, a newly elected member of parliament in Zelensky’s Servant of the People party. “Our goal is to see a completely different country in five years.” At 23, Yurash is the youngest member of parliament in Ukraine’s history and another participant in the reform movement.

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Former U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, whom Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani campaigned successfully to have recalled from Kyiv in May, was an enthusiastic supporter of the reformers, as is her replacement, William B. Taylor Jr. , fulfilling his second stint as America’s senior diplomat in the country.

“This new government has appealed to young people who are so idealistic, pro-West, pro-United States, pro-Europe, that I feel an emotional attachment, bond, connection to this country and these people,” Taylor testified before the congressional panel investigating Trump.

The turning point for the generational shift was the Maidan revolution that forced out President Viktor Yanukovich who, along with his business associates, robbed the country of around $100 billion. He fled to Russia, confronted by the massive demonstrations in which more than 100 protesters died.

Weeks later, the Kremlin seized Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula and backed separatist militias in Ukraine’s east, where fighting continues.

“Maidan was about fighting corruption and an authoritarian government,” said Yulia Marushevska, 30, another of the new generation of anti-corruption crusaders in Kyiv. “How can a country that lost a hundred people on Maidan in the fight against corruption and authoritarianism be called the most corrupt country in the world?”

The Maidan revolt set into motion an anti-corruption movement led in part by young activists such as Kaleniuk and Marushevska. Their work led Ukraine to overhaul the police system in an attempt to eliminate bribe-taking. It established a transparent, online system for public procurement. It created the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine to investigate graft.

When a new, pro-Western government was elected in March 2014, Marushevska was appointed to the Odessa regional government and eventually put in charge of reforms in the Black Sea city’s notoriously corrupt ports and customs office.

The Maidan street revolution had another, perhaps more important outcome for Ukrainians, Marushevska said.

“Empowerment,” she said. “People now understood that we have the power to change the country.”

In May, long before the scandal broke in the U.S., Kaleniuk’s organization and 19 other Ukrainian groups petitioned the U.S. Treasury Department to blacklist former Ukrainian Atty. Gen. Yuri Lutsenko, the man who initially worked with Giuliani to smear the former U.S. ambassador, Yovanovitch, and spread unsupported stories about Joe Biden’s dealings with Ukraine. Treasury took no action.

Lutsenko, in a September interview with The Times, recanted the claims he made, but they had already reached, and convinced, Trump.

All of the work earned Kaleniuk and her organization the enmity of Ukraine’s most powerful people: billionaire tycoons backed with armies of lawyers and highly paid American crisis management public relations firms. This was no surprise, she said.

But then Giuliani added his voice.

In public appearances, Giuliani painted the anti-corruption group as a dubious tool of George Soros, the Hungarian-born philanthropist who founded the Open Society Foundations. Like many pro-democracy groups across Europe, Kaleniuk’s organization receives funding from Open Society, last year to the tune of about $150,000, or about a quarter of the Ukrainian group’s budget. But branding people or groups as having ties to Soros has become a trope, often tinged with anti-Semitism, used by the American right wing, which considers Soros a leftist partisan.

Slightly more than half of the money the Anti-Corruption Action Center has received since 2012 comes from the U.S. government.

In some cases, attacks have been even more direct. The group’s founder, Vitaly Shabunin, 34, whose investigations exposed Yanukovych’s gross abuse of power and illicit resources, was doused with a green substance while he and dozens of other activists were demonstrating in a Kyiv square last year. The substance, a harsh chemical commonly used as an antiseptic here, left burns on his face and eyes.

The broadsides from the Trump administration have made the anti-corruption crusade that much more difficult, Kaleniuk said, and given sustenance to the recalcitrant, old-school oligarchs “who try to protect themselves through all possible means.” And that, she said, ultimately helps Russian President Vladimir Putin, who benefits from a weak Ukraine.

“It is in the interest of Russia to portray us as a … hopelessly corrupt country … [and] a constant place of instability,” ineligible to join Western institutions such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization or the European Union, Kaleniuk said. “This is about more than corruption and Ukraine. It’s about an autocratic regime fighting the liberal democratic world.”

Putin seized Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in 2014 and continues to occupy it. Russia-backed separatists are fighting a deadly war in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region.

Ukrainians have noted that Trump often seems to be using Putin’s talking points when discussing Ukraine, telling filmmaker Oliver Stone in June that “Russians and Ukrainians are actually one people” and dismissing Moscow’s aggression. By contrast, many foreign policy experts and geopolitical strategists argue that Ukraine is the key bulwark against an expansionist Russia, caught as it is in a tug-of-war between East and West.

“The future of Ukraine is the future of Europe,” said Daniel Hamilton, a former diplomat who specializes in Europe at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington.

As the young reformers confront that challenge, they also worry now, amid the Trump impeachment inquiry, that they are also losing the traditional bipartisan U.S. congressional support they have enjoyed for years in executing reforms and building democracy.

Alyona Getmanchuk, director of the New Europe Center, a progressive think tank in Kyiv, is a foreign policy expert and ardent supporter of the new generation of reformers. Trump’s antagonism toward the country and its endeavors is clearer than ever, she said. Trump has made Ukraine a “political football,” a position the country does not want. And she fears that the topic of Ukraine has become “toxic” in the halls of Congress.

“All the major reforms [were] launched with major U.S. support and involvement along every step of the way,” she said. “That is why it would be harder to push for them without the U.S. It would not stop the process, but it would slow it down. And we can’t risk that.”

Times staff writer Wilkinson was recently on assignment in Kyiv. Ayres is a special correspondent.


WASHINGTON — 

A second U.S. Embassy staffer in Kyiv overheard a key cellphone call between President Trump and his ambassador to the European Union discussing the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations,” the Associated Press has learned.

The July 26 call between Trump and Gordon Sondland was first described during testimony Wednesday by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor said one of his staffers overhead the call while Sondland was in a restaurant the day after Trump’s phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that triggered the House impeachment inquiry.

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The second diplomatic staffer also at the table was Suriya Jayanti, a foreign service officer based in Kyiv. A person briefed on what Jayanti overheard spoke to AP on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter under investigation.

Trump on Wednesday said he did not recall the July 26 call.

“No, not at all, not even a little bit,” Trump said.

The staffer Taylor testified about is David Holmes, the political counselor at the embassy in Kyiv, according to an official familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Holmes is scheduled to testify Friday before House investigators in a closed session.

Taylor was one of the first witnesses called Wednesday during the impeachment inquiry’s initial open hearing. He testified that his staffer could hear Trump on the phone asking Sondland about “the investigations.”

The accounts of Holmes and Jayanti could tie Trump closer to alleged efforts to hold up military aid to Ukraine in exchange for investigations into political rival Joe Biden and his son Hunter’s business dealings.

Current and former U.S. officials say Sondland’s use of a cellphone in a public place in Ukraine to speak with anyone in the U.S. government back home about sensitive matters, let alone the president, would be a significant breach of communications security.

Jayanti is an attorney who joined the State Department in 2012 and was previously posted at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq. She has been stationed since September 2018 at the embassy in Kyiv where she helps coordinate U.S. business interests with the former Soviet republic’s energy industry.

Jayanti was in Washington last month and scheduled for a closed-door interview with impeachment investigators. But the deposition was canceled because of the funeral for former House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah E. Cummings and has not yet been rescheduled.

Holmes, a career diplomat, joined the Foreign Service in 2002 and has served in Afghanistan, Colombia, India, Kosovo and Russia as well as on the White House National Security Council staff. He won an award for constructive dissent from the American Foreign Service Assn. in 2014 for complaining about problems that an alternate diplomatic channel had caused in South Asia and recommending organizational changes to the State Department’s bureaucratic structure for the region.

U.S. diplomats and other government employees are instructed not to use cellphones for sensitive official matters while traveling anywhere abroad but notably in countries known to be targeted for surveillance by intelligence agencies such as Russia, China and Israel.

Ukraine has long been among the countries of concern, particularly since a 2014 incident in which the U.S. accused Russian intelligence of eavesdropping on and then leaking a recording of a conversation between two senior U.S. officials in Kyiv that led to great embarrassment and strains between the U.S. and its European allies.

In that recording, then-Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland is heard telling former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoff Pyatt “… the EU,” using an expletive, because of the European Union’s slowness to respond to the political crisis in the country.

“That phone call was also a mistake the way it was conducted and it had huge implications for our foreign policy,” said Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia who is now at Stanford University. “Particularly after that, anybody should understand how dangerous it is to make an unsecured call in Kyiv, or anywhere else for that matter.”

“Obviously, making a phone call from Kyiv to the president of the United States means that not just the Russian intelligence services will be on the call, but a whole lot of other people too,” McFaul said. “If it was that important, he [Sondland] could have easily gotten up from the restaurant, gone to the embassy and made a secure call through the White House operations center. A lower-level official would probably be reprimanded for this kind of breach.”